Coding new battery

[smithy]

Sept 3, 2019 11:55:26 GMT iananastasi said:

Hi guys, just bought a new AGM battery for my golf r MK7. The problem is that there isn't an option under battery technology for AGM.

The options I have are listed below. What do you suggest?

Kind regards

Ian

Ian,

Did you have an AGM battery on the car originally or are you upgrading from EFB?

[ollied1981]

Hi...I have the same problem with a Mk3 Leon - upgraded the standard 59Ah EFB to a 70Ah Varta AGM but don't know whether to call it Binary - AGM or 'Fleece' in obdelevem....does anyone know the difference?!

Thanks...

[djrx]

I need help coding my 2014 SQ5. I'm running version 0.16.2 of OBDEleven but my screen doesn't look like what anyone has on this thread. Please see attached pictures. As you can see my options are Long coding and Long adaptation. Where do I find the "adaptation mentioned in this thread? I also have to put in 004 to get to the battery replacement screen.

Last year, I purchased a non OEM battery from Advanced Auto parts. I have been having issues with the battery draining in the past several weeks. I had it charged overnight and it worked fine. Two weeks later its dead again. I even took it to an Audi Indy shop where they did a "charging system test" and told me nothing was wrong. Same result.

I am scheduled to have the car looked at the Audi dealer in two days. I'm trying to rule out the issue of using a non OEM battery, so I bought a battery from the Audi dealer but don't want to pay another $230 to program it. Any help here will be appreciated.

please see picture in the thread below. thanks.
Read more: forum.obdeleven.com/thread/7368/battery-coding#ixzz67qkzlijX

[dv52 (Australia)]

Dec 12, 2019 0:58:51 GMT djrx said:

I need help coding my 2014 SQ5. I'm running version 0.16.2 of OBDEleven but my screen doesn't look like what anyone has on this thread. Please see attached pictures. As you can see my options are Long coding and Long adaptation. Where do I find the "adaptation mentioned in this thread? I also have to put in 004 to get to the battery replacement screen.

Last year, I purchased a non OEM battery from Advanced Auto parts. I have been having issues with the battery draining in the past several weeks. I had it charged overnight and it worked fine. Two weeks later its dead again. I even took it to an Audi Indy shop where they did a "charging system test" and told me nothing was wrong. Same result.

I am scheduled to have the car looked at the Audi dealer in two days. I'm trying to rule out the issue of using a non OEM battery, so I bought a battery from the Audi dealer but don't want to pay another $230 to program it. Any help here will be appreciated.

please see picture in the thread below. thanks.
Read more: forum.obdeleven.com/thread/7368/battery-coding#ixzz67qkzlijX

djrx: OK - first, I'm not familiar with 8R/FP (SQ5), but the description above is symptomatic of a car that has not been correctly programed to tell the Gateway module that a new battery has been installed.

As I suspect you already know, the electrical capacity of wet-cell car batteries diminishes with age. Many VW/Audi vehicles have an inbuilt Energy Management System (EMS) which is a precision tool for controlling battery health (amongst other things). One of the functions of the EMS  is to recognize this ageing effect and to tailor (i.e. reduce) the charge from the alternator so that it aligns with the degregation in battery capacity over time.

So, if the hex19 module believes that the original battery is still in the car - the new battery  is never fully charged. Result = the type of observation in your post!

I've had a look at your screenshots and none of the batteries appear to be BEM type - because they don't appear to have the correct stickers on the top cover.

  I've included below a picture of the correct sticker-tag on a BEM battery - notice the data on the top 2 x lines of the tag that is important for the EMS to charge the battery correctly - notice also the explanation of the data needed by the hex19 module on the top right-side of the picture (incidentally, "VA" in the picture as vendor is VATA). The "FORMAT" part on the picture is how VASS expects the information to be inputted on some older cars - but on a MQB platform car (like the cars in this part of the forum), the parameters have their own individual adaptation channels - again I'm not sure how the same info is inputted on a SQ5.

Don

[wsmc549]

I don't see "Gateway" on my app. Is there a setting I need to update or something? 

[frankm]

Sorry for being late with this, I must have dozed off. Fleece is the German terminology for what we otherwise call AGM. No idea what Binary-AGM is.

[danyalexa]

Hi everyone , i am new to OBDeleven and i changed my car’s(vw passat b7) battery (varta 70ah agm)

I am trying to code my new battery but i see the screen i have is different than yours.
I have long coding and long adaptation options
If i select long adaptation i can not search. It gives me option to insert a number from 0 to 255.

[vwjap]

I think it’s 04, then you should have a 11 digit code, then the 3 digit, then the serial number just type the new 11 digit code then the 3 digit then the serial no

[cipichip]

I can find the channel but all the other details about battery technology,amperage and all the rest don’t exist and did checked all 255 channels
I am running OBDeleven Pro just in case anyone wonders

[dv52 (Australia)]

cipichip : Hi. That's correct, you don't need "all the other details about battery technology" on the older style non-UDS controllers that are installed in cars like your Passat.

As @vwjap has said, there are just 3 x codes needed; the battery part number, the manufacturer and the serial number. ALL of this information can be found on the BEM Code sticker - see the 3 x boxes in the picture below.

Note: for non-UDS modules, the first part of the value that's entered into the 04 channel MUST be 11 x digits (this is the battery part number). In my picture, the red colored box has only 10 x digits - so you need to enter a space as the 11th digit. This means that there will be 2 x spaces between the battery part number and the manufacturer for the BEM code in my picture.

For the BEM Code sticker above, the correct entry should be:

3D0915105HspacespaceVAOspace590116G0O9

IMPORTANT:  use CAPITAL letters and make sure that you distinguish correctly between the number zero and the letter "O" (the former has a stroke through the number) - failure to do this will cause problems!!!

Don

[cipichip]

[quote author="dv52 (Australia)" source="/post/47516/thread"

Thanks for your input

[micke]

Hi, I recently replaced my battery with a new AGM Varta E39 and entered all the necessary data according to instructions in this poll. I have the Battery management control but can still not see the SOC. It was not visible for the old battery and not the new. I used the app to change the Battery charge level to On but no change. For the old battery both manufacturer and serial were empty, not even zeros. Any ideas how to see the SOC, or it simply does not work on my car?

Thanks
Brgds Micke

[dv52 (Australia)]

micke : Hi.The SOC facility was available in early model mk7s, but it was not continued in later releases. I don't know for certain, but my belief is that SOC was discontinued because it resulted in lots of questions to VW from car owners.

Cars that are fitted with the battery monitor control module (J367) are also  invariably fitted with "brake energy recovery". This means that the alternator is designed to use the car's momentum to charge the battery during engine braking thus increasing the fuel efficiency. To do this, the energy management system in the vehicle must allow a "headroom"  in the battery capacity to store the additional energy. So the alternator control circuits seldom permit 100% battery SOC. On most early model mk7s with SOC display, the normal reading was about 80% and I suspect that this resulted in many queries to VW. Hence the SOC display was discontinued in later model mk7s - I think!

Don

[fbi]

Is there any way to find out if my car has the "Brake energy recovery" ?
MK7 pre-facelift

Thanks

[dv52 (Australia)]

fbi :If you  have a battery monitor control module, you will have recuperation. Look at the negative terminal on the battery for the module- like this:



ignore the yellow yunk - it's an anti frosting spray that dealers use diwn here

Don

[fbi]

Hey Don, yes I do have that plugged, I thought that was only related to the start/stop.

thank you

[pipa92]

Hi guys,

Did we finally answer the age old question: FLEECE vs AGM BINARY?

My old battery (probably OEM) was coded as FLEECE.

My new battery is VARTA AGM 80AH.

[fbi]

Good question....I coded mine as AGM binary for now until we find out the right settings.

[pipa92]

fbi there are so many conflicting theories and answers. Some say fleece is just bad german translation for regular AGM battery. And AGM binary is some other AGM subtype.

People have been asking this question since 2015 and no definitive answer. Its disappointing.

[fwj]

AGM is just the abbreviation for "Absorbed Glass Mat", which means lead-fleece.

A glass fiber fleece is saturated with sulfuric acid. In my Tiguan is an AGM battery installed and this was coded in the delivery state of the vehicle as a fleece battery.

[gotts]

I upgrade to AGM and coded as Fleece since that's what seems to be the factory coding when built with an AGM battery.

[fbi]

So you guys are suggesting AGM battery should be set as fleece then.

I might change it to fleece.


thank you 👍

[daantje050]

Hi all. I am replacing my battery on my 2015 polo TDI (6c). Since the dealer wants to charge me like 350 euros, i figured i just do it my self. I ordered ODB11 for IOS and a new battery (VARTA Start-Stop Silver Dynamic AGM E39)

Total sum: 220 euros

I did some research here and tutorials on YouTube. Does any one know if the settings on OBD11 by gateway > adaptation are the same for my car so i can change it? My car has the J367 control module. All of the tutorials i found were MK7 golfs, but no polos

[vwcars]

dv52 (Australia) As this is my first usage of the Obdeleven PRO tool, may I kindly verify a battery coding adaptation that I just did, to be on the safe side that I didn't mess up my car, as it is doesn't seem to be any of the exact mentioned methods.

The car is Tiguan MK1 FL (5N) 2013. It had the original battery Varta AGM 68Ah 680A CCA (7P0 915 105). I've replaced it with Bosch AGM S5 A 70Ah 760 CCA (750 901 076). There is no BEM code on the latter, only some Bosch code with QR.

(Attaching screenshot for this) In Gateway 19, Long adaptation, channel 04, all the values are empty and non-selectable, only the ASCII value was "068 JCB 1111111111". As far as I read this is due to old UDS module?



I didn't notice any double spaces before the manufacturer code, so I took the risk to code it to: "070 JCB 1111111110" (changing last digit), which was accepted. Basically Varta AGM and Bosch AGM are supposed to be build in the same factory (Clarios?) and only the external branding is different. I don't know the Bosch code anyway. Obviously one cannot select battery technology this way.

Should this be ok, and is there way to verify if there can be malfunction with this adaptation, also can I verify if the learning history of the previous battery is for sure reset?


p.s. If this should be in the Tiguan sub-forum, please advise, though there weren't any battery coding discussions.

[vwcars]

Have found a bit more info while searching for similar cases like mine with different format - forums.ross-tech.com/index.php?threads/25288/post-217403

In the above the guy has "coded" VAO instead of JCB and reports start/stop was not working. Interestingly if this is because of not putting VA0 with zero. Also I wonder if I should change the JCB to VA0 too, as I read a post from Ross-tech employee, that there are different (charge curve) presets for the different manufacturers. But my VW provided Varta had JCB coding? I also read that Johnson controls owns Varta, and Varta manufactures also the Bosch batteries.. (Clarios). Very messy...

[dv52 (Australia)]

vwcars : Hi. Lots of unknowns - alas. I'm not familiar with either your old, or new battery and my other unknown is your Tiggy (which uses older style non UDS modules- as you say).

With batteries that don't have a specific BEM sticker, it's a bit of a guess! I wouldn't worry about the serial number -the actual number isn't important; changing the last digit should be sufficient to tell the hex19 module that a new battery is installed.

As for the manufacturer code, again I don't believe that it's that important because I suspect that your specific non-BEM battery which was built in 2021 was not contemplated in a car that was built in 2013. So, choosing either manufacturer is no more accurate - I think!!

I suspect that you have probably done everything possible to align the new battery to the car - better now to concentrate on the more important things in life!!

Don

[vwcars]

dv52 (Australia) Hehe, thanks for the reply and the philosophical remark

Basically I was a bit in a worry/hurry due to a long distance travel the next day, and the previous day I have replaced a malfunctioning battery (cannot start in very cold any more as the CCA number has decreased as per VAS 6161 tester). Also I've never used any of the coding tools till now and none of the methods directly desribed my situation. I was expecting as per the previous posts to have some predefined selectable values, not a free ASCII text string in which the number of spaces might matter or there were the warnings that a wrong letter can do some harm... I didn't know if the harm can be for the battery only or for the car somehow. Nor is clear if one can verify the battery learning history reset, apart from hoping that is has been done. I was not sure if I put 070 or 70 as first string can this be recognized as 7Ah, etc. Also seems for these old models you cannot put anything different then AGM (like EFB), or at list it is not in this channel 04.

But yes, to some extent I did adhere to what as already present in the ASCII string, hopefully as you say this is kind of everything possible to align the new battery. I would expect that the 2021 AGM battery is not drastically different for the same vendor (as far as any charge curve presets), but as you note we don't have guarantees.

Anyway thanks again for the reply.

[pagla]

Hello

Which version of OBD11 should I purchase in order to register a battery?

On Amazon there is Standard, Advanced blue tooth, and Pro. My original battery on 2015 Audi S4 recently died. I bought a Duralast AGM Battery from Autozone as replacement and it works with no errors on dash board. However, I would like to register it properly so it performs optimally with out the batter prematurely failing.

[dv52 (Australia)]

pagla : hi. First, are you sure that you need to "register it properly"? Look at the negative battery terminal - does it have this module?

(ignore the yellow gunk - it's an anti-frosting spray that dealers use down here). If you car doesn't have the module (it's called the Battery Monitor control module)-then there is no need to alter any coding values because your car doesn't have an active energy management system

If the monitor module is installed, you need to have a PRO account because (as I understand), the the Standard version of OBD11 doesn't allow coding changes. Of course, if OBD11 make a one-click-app for the battery change tweak, you could try it.

I NEVER  use one-click-apps because they don't leave a traik of what changes they make - but it's your decision.

Don

[pagla]

See the pic below of my batter set up. It seems to have the area you are referring to.