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Post by alangel on Dec 11, 2022 21:49:16 GMT
Thanks for the reply.
I doubt that the issue is hardware related. I had a professional mount the speakers and cables.
Then the issue occurred immediately after coding the rear speakers, so I believe that it is a software issue.
Have tried clearing error codes, but that didn't do the trick...
Edit: I think I might found the answer. It seems that the car runs a control routine for the park sensors that utilizes the front speakers. When these are connected via the amp, the control routine fails.
It seems that it's necessary to use a box of resistors to make the car think the speakers are attached.
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Post by ID.3 on Dec 12, 2022 17:16:35 GMT
Ah ok I also think I understand where the problem comes from, if you were talking to me about amps. Did your installer connect the rear loudspeakers via an amp that works with the front loudspeakers? Do you know if your installer has connected the loudspeakers to the car radio or to the amplifier directly? Otherwise you just didn't have to code the car if you went through the amp and you will no longer have the possibility of playing with the Focus The 2 hp will still work since it's plugged into the amp
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Post by alangel on Dec 12, 2022 21:08:49 GMT
Yes, AFAIK both front and rear speakers are connected via the amp. But the rear speakers didn't work until I opened the rear channels...
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Post by ID.3 on Dec 13, 2022 7:11:22 GMT
Normally going through an amp you have not coded the vehicle. the HP should work without the Focus in the car and adjust this background directly on the amp to balance them front and rear.
Another solution your HP are not VW approved and you generate an error 05F, It is precisely with the installation of a resistance somewhere to eliminate the defect. On the other hand, I would not be able to help you with the calculation of the resistance to put. ask your installer.
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Post by ID.3 on Dec 15, 2022 8:02:46 GMT
Hello alangel Did you manage to find where the problem comes from?
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Post by alangel on Jan 3, 2023 22:09:06 GMT
Sorry for the late reply.
Finally it has been resolved. I went back to the installer and connected the speakers (front + rear) without the amp. Everything worked fine.
Connected the speakers via an Axton 452dsp amp with a resistor piece on the cable. Bam - everything worked!
So either it was an issue with the Focal amp or it was the resistor causing the issues with the parking sensors.
Although this process caused some time and effort, the result was very satisfying!
Thanks for all your help on figuring out the issues.
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Post by ID.3 on Jan 4, 2023 11:54:04 GMT
Great then! I'm happy for you Can you tell me which reference of the Focal amp, that didn't work? Happy New Year in ID.3
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Post by Kevil on Jan 8, 2023 20:59:32 GMT
Still trying to work this out, I fitted focal speakers with separate tweeters so channels 1 & 4 I activated HT, also on the Cupra born I found out that topology needs to be set to “0” and not 25 But I have a missing data when I apply anything other than 15. Also the EQ screen has 5 channels and it only works on 3 but it sounds fantastic 😆 Just need to try find what we’re missing on the born to finish this off. Did you ever solve this? I’ve got my Born setup with the speakers working but the fader/sound focus is broken. All 5 parts of the eq work, and the speakers work, but I can’t move the sound around.
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Post by audidave on Jan 9, 2023 20:17:47 GMT
I can move the sound around but only 3 out of the five EQ’s work also have a missing data fault too. Interesting that you have working 5 band EQ
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Post by audidave on Jan 9, 2023 20:21:55 GMT
Just out of interest what topology value did you use and if you have 5 band EQ it’s obviously a Cupra Born
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Post by Kevil on Jan 10, 2023 11:43:32 GMT
Yeah its the Cupra born. I get the 'implausible data set' error on every topology setting I've tried except 15, (but on 15 the rear speakers don't work!) but ive tried 15 as per th e id.3 and 0 as per other suggestions for the Born. No idea why, but the EQ is still fully functioning, but the fader is a mess: Another user on the Cupra born forums, suggested setting the topology back to 15 and then 0 again, with long press reboots in-between, but has no effect for me. Did you change/add any of the 'audio zones' settings? By default my born only has two zones set and they are both 'front row'. Fancy sharing settings exports and see if we can spot anything that might fix both our problems?
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Post by ID.3 on Jan 10, 2023 16:29:25 GMT
On ID.3 with the 4 HP the typology is 25
15 is for the two Front HP only.
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Post by audidave on Jan 10, 2023 18:48:18 GMT
Yeah its the Cupra born. I get the 'implausible data set' error on every topology setting I've tried except 15, (but on 15 the rear speakers don't work!) but ive tried 15 as per th e id.3 and 0 as per other suggestions for the Born. No idea why, but the EQ is still fully functioning, but the fader is a mess: Another user on the Cupra born forums, suggested setting the topology back to 15 and then 0 again, with long press reboots in-between, but has no effect for me. Did you change/add any of the 'audio zones' settings? By default my born only has two zones set and they are both 'front row'. Fancy sharing settings exports and see if we can spot anything that might fix both our problems? I’ve tried the Audi zones but with no joy, from my understanding topology setting is id3 15 = two front speakers Id3 25 front + rear speakers Cupra born with beats audio topology = 0 As the Cupra born only comes with rear speakers if you option beats I think we are missing extra coding, mine works with 0 and 25 but I’ve got missing data fault and my five band EQ only adjusts on 3 out of the 5 bands. Just let me know what and how that you need 👍
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Post by ID.3 on Jan 30, 2023 16:19:08 GMT
Hi everyone. Just so you know, I didn't lose the coding for the rear speakers when I upgraded from 2.4 to 3.0
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Post by kevinm2k on Apr 6, 2023 9:48:39 GMT
There is quite a bit of chat in here talking about the diff codes etc, just wondering if i can get the full details of what's needed on one post?
AFAIK it's the focal 165 speakers required and they fit perfectly in the back doors. Then you need loom cabling to connect it to the car and some coding.
I can't find anyone to fit the speakers locally which is a bit of a pain. Wondering if there is somewhere you can just get the rear speakers bought and fitted in one go? I'd be happy to go and get it done
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Post by ID.3 on Apr 8, 2023 12:15:39 GMT
Hi, Indeed it's a bit complicated to find all the right information. To make this project there are 3 delicate phases for each of them. The purchase of the material, the installation of the material, and the coding. For the purchase of the material which includes the HP (front and rear (x6 HP), or just at the rear (x2 HP)? and the electrical harness. Unfortunately VW will never install this hardware; imagine if they burned the car it would be their fault Try your luck with an audio installer who is used to doing this work for you. For coding : If you already have OBDeleven, it's easy enough to code, to have the sound on the back and the fader active on the audio display of the infontainement If not, there are also obd2 boxes already coded and OBDeleven will be useless. Do not go too fast in your project and take the time to document you on several forum for the installation by yourself, you will also have to translate in your language for better understanding. I put you here all the links on internet which could be useful for you: Bundle: - Without Obdeleven, including coding + HP: www.k-electronic-shop.de/VOLKSWAGEN/ID3/ID3-E11/VW-ID-3-Soundsystem-Lautsprecher-hinten-Fader.html- Only the bundle: www.kufatec.com/de/volkswagen/vw-id3/id3-e11/kabelsatz-lautsprecher-hinten-fuer-vw-id3-e11-45366The 2 sites sell about the same things, you have to make your choice. HP: You can try to do, make a quotation at VW for rear HP with the installation of the beam, what it melts can be? But I have no idea because I'm not interested in VW HPs. You would find those of the VW range on several online sales site like Amazon, Aliexpresse, and other online seller of compatible audio products for the car. You also have Focal which proposes a game Inside for VW ID. : www.focal-inside.com/volkswagen/en/vw-id-3-compact-2020/Forum: It's in French, it's the one where I talk about what I did myself (go directly to page 2 & 3) : forums.automobile-propre.com/topic/changement-de-hp-et-pose-dun-ampli-dans-id3-26856/?&page=2#commentsVideo:
Good luck to you.
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Post by uffew on Apr 15, 2023 7:57:43 GMT
I have an ID.3 from May 2022 which was delivered with 3.0 software.
I have installed the Focal IC VW 165 speakers in the back using the kufatec wiring kit. I have also installed Focal IS VW 165 speakers/tweeters in the front. Installation went reasonably well.
But the coding gives me problems. I have coded as you described Channel 1 & 4 TT. But the signal flow topology gives me problems. When I change the original 15 to 25 and restart infotainment the rear speakers now play great but the front speakers are missing all bass and sounds very weak. It becomes very clear when using the fader function in the infotainment to only play at the front. I can feel the woofers are moving but only very little. When I code it back to 15, the front sounds great but then the rear does not play at all.
Does anybody have a list of what signal flow topology can be set to and what each setting means? I have heard of an ID.4 where it was set to 30. But what does that mean?
Any other suggestions?
I now plan on adding the Focal Impulse 4.320 amplifier which can use the signal from the front speakers to drive all 4 speakers. Then I can leave the signal flow at 15, but then I will lose the fader function in the infotainment offcourse.
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Post by audidave on Apr 15, 2023 13:14:23 GMT
You could try changing TT in both front speakers TT = woofer HT = high tone
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Post by ID.3 on Apr 16, 2023 9:17:33 GMT
I have an ID.3 from May 2022 which was delivered with 3.0 software. I have installed the Focal IC VW 165 speakers in the back using the kufatec wiring kit. I have also installed Focal IS VW 165 speakers/tweeters in the front. Installation went reasonably well. But the coding gives me problems. I have coded as you described Channel 1 & 4 TT. But the signal flow topology gives me problems. When I change the original 15 to 25 and restart infotainment the rear speakers now play great but the front speakers are missing all bass and sounds very weak. It becomes very clear when using the fader function in the infotainment to only play at the front. I can feel the woofers are moving but only very little. When I code it back to 15, the front sounds great but then the rear does not play at all. Does anybody have a list of what signal flow topology can be set to and what each setting means? I have heard of an ID.4 where it was set to 30. But what does that mean? Any other suggestions? I now plan on adding the Focal Impulse 4.320 amplifier which can use the signal from the front speakers to drive all 4 speakers. Then I can leave the signal flow at 15, but then I will lose the fader function in the infotainment offcourse. It seems that you did the same configuration as I did on the car. just to know what country you are from? it is shown here that changing the signal type from 15 to 25 does not change the sound quality at all. It's configured like this with the ID3s with the original rear speaker (ID.3 1ST MAX) I'm not sure what the problem is, but I'm not sure what the problem is. I'm not sure what the problem is. I don't really know where your problem is at the moment, but since you have exactly the same configuration as me, it allows me to have other leads... Good luck. Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
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Post by uffew on Apr 17, 2023 6:41:02 GMT
I am from Denmark and so is the car. Do you have software 3.0 as well?
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Post by audidave on Apr 17, 2023 15:06:12 GMT
If you code the front speakers to HT (high tone) that should make the aftermarket speakers sound better
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Post by ID.3 on Apr 19, 2023 16:47:19 GMT
I am from Denmark and so is the car. Do you have software 3.0 as well? Too bad then we will not be able to discuss in French to better understand this. I was on 2.4 at the time of the change, I upgraded to 3.0 later with the email I want OTA 3.0 Everything went well for me with the update by air. I didn't need to redo the coding after the update.
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Post by ID.3 on Apr 19, 2023 17:14:47 GMT
If you code the front speakers to HT (high tone) that should make the aftermarket speakers sound better With the amp he intends to install later, the Inside from Focal allows you to increase the gain at the rear naturally via the setting of the amp without making any modification of this type. The thing that intrigues me is that I have no difference when I leave the typology of the signal at 15 and 25. It's the same thing for me and him, isn't it? the only thing i can't confirmed today with my car with 3.0 whether it works or not. Then I heard about a recall in the car dealership from VW inviting them to come and update the audio quality after switching to 3.0, but for me this is not the case. sorry, I absolutely don't have the recall reference in mind.
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Post by hammoudeh1981 on May 1, 2023 11:51:02 GMT
Hello everybody.
I am looking for the long coding, to activate the rear speakers? Hi... I have done the activation of the rear speakers, tested OK with the following long coding Unit 8125 (23162130000000000000000000000000000000000000000000) Unit 5F (23162130000000000000000000000000000000000000000000) Rear speakers activated on ID4 X Pure+ But it is better to backup to retain back the original setting for any problem might occur
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Post by hammoudeh1981 on May 1, 2023 11:56:20 GMT
Hi...I succeeded in activation the rear speakers on ID4 X Pure+ with the following long coding:
Unit 8125: (23162130000000000000000000000000000000000000000000)
Unit 5F (23162130000000000000000000000000000000000000000000)
But pls make backup 1st to retain original settings for any problem might occur
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Post by kevinm2k on May 1, 2023 13:07:31 GMT
I'm close to splashing out for either the kufatec or kelectronics version. It doesn't say which speakers you actually get and although they both seem to offer dongles, only the kelectronics site says you don't need dealer. www.kufatec.com/de/seat/born/born-k11/komplettset-lautsprecher-hinten-fuer-seat-born-k11-47402I found someone who can fit but they want the fader menu in place first. So which of the two would be best? I'm hoping let's say kufatec, I get it. I plug the dongle in and that's the coding sorted with the rear faders then I can just take it and get it fitted. What is the main diff between kelectronics and kufatec? Thanks
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Post by kevinm2k on May 4, 2023 17:19:16 GMT
Except that k electronics don't seem to deliver to UK.
Does anyone know of the kufatec dongle will work on the same way. It doesn't mention not requiring dealer.
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Post by uffew on May 6, 2023 8:56:41 GMT
I have now tested it multiple times in my car. HT or TT makes no difference at all. Only changing the signal flow topology does something.
To produce a similar (and acceptable) sound:
- when running with flow topology 15, bass is set to minus 6. mid range to minus 2. - when running with flow topology 25, bass is set to plus 1, mid range to minus 7. (Treble maybe minus 1 or 2)
In flow topology 15, I switch the focal amp to 1/2 mode which means that the single input signal from the front is "duplicated" to the rear channels as well. This seams to produce the best result, so I will stay on this setup. Flow 25 seems to have more distorted mid range and treble when turning the volume up.
I have no idea why it is different for me than for you, but thanks for your replies.
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Post by ID.3 on May 6, 2023 20:11:47 GMT
Thank you for your feedback, glad you were able to solve the problem with the Focal amp. It may be different for you because you are missing the fix for the sound system following the switch to 3.0? It is announced for people who heard a difference in sound quality after switching from 2.4 to 3.0. I don't know if you are in this case?
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Post by terris13 on Jun 10, 2023 9:15:27 GMT
I have an ID.3 from May 2022 which was delivered with 3.0 software. I have installed the Focal IC VW 165 speakers in the back using the kufatec wiring kit. I have also installed Focal IS VW 165 speakers/tweeters in the front. Installation went reasonably well. But the coding gives me problems. I have coded as you described Channel 1 & 4 TT. But the signal flow topology gives me problems. When I change the original 15 to 25 and restart infotainment the rear speakers now play great but the front speakers are missing all bass and sounds very weak. It becomes very clear when using the fader function in the infotainment to only play at the front. I can feel the woofers are moving but only very little. When I code it back to 15, the front sounds great but then the rear does not play at all. Does anybody have a list of what signal flow topology can be set to and what each setting means? I have heard of an ID.4 where it was set to 30. But what does that mean? Any other suggestions? I now plan on adding the Focal Impulse 4.320 amplifier which can use the signal from the front speakers to drive all 4 speakers. Then I can leave the signal flow at 15, but then I will lose the fader function in the infotainment offcourse. I have the same configuration. When I code via app the front lost the bass . What you make to have bass at front ?
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