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Post by salah7779 on Sept 23, 2023 16:03:22 GMT
A little update to those looking into doing this. I am still waiting for the unit to arrive so I still have no idea if it's going to work or not, however today I tested removing the airbag. First off, the way to remove the wheel on my car (European ID.4 without capacitive sensors delivered from Germany) differs from Salah7779's pictures. In my car, there's a metal "rod" surrounding the airbag that needs to be pushed downwards to release it. Basically the same though, more or less... Also the cover on top of the wheel doesn't need to come off. Just be sure to cover the driving screen with a towel or something. The horn fuse definately needs to be removed, otherwise it goes off when the airbag is released on one side. The horn fuse on my car is located under the hood, in spot F9 (15 amp blue fuse). When the airbag is removed, it's an easy job to release the two connectors and then just to the airbag to the side. After that, it's just a matter of prying the plastic part off (the one surrounding the buttons) in the same way as marked on generationgav's images. After that, I didn't go any further. I put everything back together to wait for the actual unit to arrive as to not accidentally damage anything... Anyway, more updates when the unit has arrived. For reference, my car WITHOUT capacitive sensors has the following item number: 10A 419 089 R YPG 03S (manfactured nov 18 2022). Your ID.4 is similar to ID4 model X and the kit will work if your line asset is active ..correct there is difference but installation of the part will be the same
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Post by robjo on Sept 23, 2023 19:50:44 GMT
Sounds good! The car came equipped with Line Assist already, and I have Travel Assist coded since before by changing the bits in long coding. I'm still a bit unsure about where exactly to plug in the Klr-unit. I guess on the backade of the buttons? Everything else seems pretty straight forward.
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Post by robjo on Sept 27, 2023 17:32:44 GMT
My kit has arrived from Aliexpress. Expecting pickup tomorrow. Will try and install it this weekend.
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Post by mencey on Sept 29, 2023 9:01:11 GMT
Has anyone had problems with the KLR module overheating ? I have a friend who says it gets quite hot and he is hesitating to remove it because of possible fire risk.
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Post by robjo on Sept 29, 2023 13:59:10 GMT
There are no records of anyone but Salah7779 using it yet.
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Post by robjo on Sept 29, 2023 19:12:55 GMT
I went ahead and installed it now. The process was actually simpler than expected. The only tool needed was a small Torx key. The unit was easily connected on the backside of the trim piece and then mounted on the inside of the steering wheel with double sided tape. No idea about it getting hot yet. Didn't want to power up the car with airbag and stuff disconnected (some VW's give fault codes). However, I disconnected the 12v battery before disconnecting the airbag and then reconnected the 12v battery after putting everything back together again. After reconnect the battery, the car lit up like a christmas tree... I got errors about lane assist, park assist, parking sensor, servo steering, powertrain faults etc. I went out for about a 5 minute drive with all the lights and one by one, they went away. After coming back, parking, getting out of the car and getting in again, all the YELLOW messages were gone. Now I still have a red exclamation mark on the drivers display which does not go away. However when checking the infotaintment screen under "Vehicle" (where it showed like 10 errors), it doesn't show any errors anymore - however the red exclamation mark is still there. I will leave the car for a while now and hope it goes away after it has done some "resting". Anyway, it works. I don't feel safe not holding the wheel however the annoying ding every 15 seconds is gone. Happy days. I have a fire extinguisher ready in the car since the comments about the unit getting hot...
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Post by generationgav on Sept 30, 2023 21:23:34 GMT
That's excellent news. Did the trim need to come off or did you manage to plug it in without? I presume the torx key was just to remove the airbag cover? Have you tried clearing all errors using OBD11? I presume you've also enabled hands on device in OBD11 already? I actually went ahead and installed it now. The process was actually simpler than expected. The only tool needed was a small Torx key. The unit was easily connected on the backside of the trim piece and then mounted on the inside of the steering wheel with double sided tape. No idea about it getting hot yet. Didn't want to power up the car with airbag and stuff disconnected (some VW's give fault codes). However, I disconnected the 12v battery before disconnecting the airbag and then reconnected the 12v battery after putting everything back together again. After reconnect the battery, the car lit up like a christmas tree... I got errors about lane assist, park assist, parking sensor, servo steering, powertrain faults etc. I went out for about a 5 minute drive with all the lights and one by one, they went away. After coming back, parking, getting out of the car and getting in again, all the YELLOW messages were gone. Now I still have a red exclamation mark on the drivers display which does not go away. However when checking the infotaintment screen under "Vehicle" (where it showed like 10 errors), it doesn't show any errors anymore - however the red exclamation mark is still there. I will leave the car for a while now and hope it goes away after it has done some "resting". Anyway, it works. I don't feel safe not holding the wheel however the annoying ding every 15 seconds is gone. Happy days. I have a fire extinguisher ready in the car since the comments about the unit getting hot...
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Post by robjo on Oct 1, 2023 3:13:53 GMT
Yep Torx was only needed for the airbag. However, with a small Torx like the one I used, it requires a bit of force to release the tabs of the airbag. Yeah the trim needed to come off. There is no way to access the connector otherwise, which is on the backside of the actual trim piece. However the trim could quite easily be removed with just bare hands instead of using plastic tools, so no risk of scratching. It's held on with some small rubber holders (like on older engine covers). The errors all disappeared by the next morning without having to clear codes, so everything is working perfectly fine now. All that was needed was to set KLR to "coded" via OBD11. Here's a temporary video of it working: streamable.com/17w3cd
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Post by generationgav on Oct 2, 2023 13:19:52 GMT
Yep Torx was only needed for the airbag. However, with a small Torx like the one I used, it requires a bit of force to release the tabs of the airbag. Did you actually need to remove/unplug the airbag? Or just leave it in place enough to remove the trim? Yeah the trim needed to come off. There is no way to access the connector otherwise, which is on the backside of the actual trim piece. However the trim could quite easily be removed with just bare hands instead of using plastic tools, so no risk of scratching. It's held on with some small rubber holders (like on older engine covers). The errors all disappeared by the next morning without having to clear codes, so everything is working perfectly fine now. All that was needed was to set KLR to "coded" via OBD11. Here's a temporary video of it working: streamable.com/17w3cdThat's great news, and thanks for the demo. Did you have assistive parking before? Can you confirm if that still works? That's probably my last concern about the whole thing.
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Post by robjo on Oct 2, 2023 17:20:34 GMT
Yep Torx was only needed for the airbag. However, with a small Torx like the one I used, it requires a bit of force to release the tabs of the airbag. Did you actually need to remove/unplug the airbag? Or just leave it in place enough to remove the trim? Yeah the trim needed to come off. There is no way to access the connector otherwise, which is on the backside of the actual trim piece. However the trim could quite easily be removed with just bare hands instead of using plastic tools, so no risk of scratching. It's held on with some small rubber holders (like on older engine covers). The errors all disappeared by the next morning without having to clear codes, so everything is working perfectly fine now. All that was needed was to set KLR to "coded" via OBD11. Here's a temporary video of it working: streamable.com/17w3cdThat's great news, and thanks for the demo. Did you have assistive parking before? Can you confirm if that still works? That's probably my last concern about the whole thing. The whole airbag needed to come off, otherwise the trim cannot be removed. The airbag is first of all holding the trim in place and you cannot really access the inside edges of the trim without completely removing the airbag. Super easy though really... Just the two hooks on each side of the wheel that comes off with the small torx key, decoupling the negative cable from the battery and then removing two connectors and off it comes. I have the "regular" assisted parking which comes in the Assistance package that I have (not the assistance plus obviously, otherwise I wouldn't be here) so I don't have the 360 area view addition. I'll try out the regular park assist tomorrow and let you know. Can't see any reason why it wouldn't work since the standard park assist doesn't know if you're holding the wheel or not.
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Post by robjo on Oct 2, 2023 18:42:30 GMT
Here are some reference pics:
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Post by robjo on Oct 3, 2023 5:36:27 GMT
Edit: no problems with Park Assist at all.
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Post by generationgav on Oct 3, 2023 8:08:30 GMT
I have the "regular" assisted parking which comes in the Assistance package that I have (not the assistance plus obviously, otherwise I wouldn't be here) so I don't have the 360 area view addition. I'll try out the regular park assist tomorrow and let you know. Can't see any reason why it wouldn't work since the standard park assist doesn't know if you're holding the wheel or not. Edit: no problems with Park Assist at all. Thanks very much - just to confirm Park assist meaning the vehicle will turn the wheel and park itself into a spot? If you grab the wheel it definitely knows, so wasn't sure if it would use the addition of HOD sensors to do this.
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Post by robjo on Oct 3, 2023 14:06:13 GMT
Yep, it parks itself just fine.
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Post by generationgav on Oct 16, 2023 11:44:12 GMT
My unit should arrive today, 10 days since ordering so pretty happy with that. Not sure when I'll get chance to install due to the dark nights but hoping to this week as I have quite a few long (90mins ish) journeys next week. Did anybody who has the unit try changing the HC Variant to 5, as I believe (but could be wrong) that might also allow for automated lane changing.
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Post by robjo on Oct 16, 2023 17:44:00 GMT
Automated lane change will not work. It's only possible with Side Assist (incl. blind spot monitoring) and Side Assist/BSM is only available in the Assistance Plus-package (which then also contains the regular on-board Travel Assist).
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Post by generationgav on Oct 16, 2023 21:45:09 GMT
So my kit arrived today. But no matter what I try I can't seem to get the airbag unclipped. I've tried multiple tools, guides and even a light and mirror. Any suggestions or advice?
Edit - managed it somehow! I've ran out of time to make the ODB change and take it for a drive, but I put it into "gear" and no errors on the display at all, so fingers crossed all is OK.
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Post by generationgav on Oct 17, 2023 13:50:43 GMT
[tr][td class="content"][article] Automated lane change will not work. It's only possible with Side Assist (incl. blind spot monitoring) and Side Assist/BSM is only available in the Assistance Plus-package (which then also contains the regular on-board Travel Assist). [/article] [/td] [/tr] [tr] [td class="foot"] [/td][/tr][/quote] I've read that the side parking sensors, which are included in the park assist, are the same sensors as included in Side Assist, so in theory this should be possible, but it also makes you wonder why they didn't just include Side Assist then.
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Post by robjo on Oct 17, 2023 18:24:30 GMT
Nicely done! I've used mine since I posted and it works absolutely flawless. Love it. It's even better than regular Travel Assist. I actually ordered a second one to have as a backup just in case... I also don't have the Matrix-lights so I just recieved a set of lights for the front grille to create the light bar. Wish I had the matrix ones though.
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Post by accuser on Oct 18, 2023 19:31:35 GMT
Hi guys, Thank you all for sharing. I unlocked TA als well as KLR and fitted the kit from AliExpress. All worked like a charm. Only thing I needed to change was bytes 6, 7 & 8 to 10 E4 16, as well as "KLR" to "coded" both in A5. Nicely done! I've used mine since I posted and it works absolutely flawless. Love it. It's even better than regular Travel Assist. I actually ordered a second one to have as a backup just in case... I also don't have the Matrix-lights so I just recieved a set of lights for the front grille to create the light bar. Wish I had the matrix ones though. Did you order some kind of kit for retrofitting or a used part from an ID that came originally equipped with it? Please share how it worked out. Drive safe!
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Post by generationgav on Oct 19, 2023 12:04:40 GMT
[tr][td class="content"][article] Nicely done! I've used mine since I posted and it works absolutely flawless. Love it. It's even better than regular Travel Assist. I actually ordered a second one to have as a backup just in case... I also don't have the Matrix-lights so I just recieved a set of lights for the front grille to create the light bar. Wish I had the matrix ones though. [/article] [/td] [/tr] [tr] [td class="foot"] [/td][/tr][/quote] Once I moved a foot my car did light up like a Christmas tree, but like you it cleared immediately. Interestingly I got a call from my dealer today asking if I wanted to book my car in as they've flagged up I had an orange warning light with power steering error. I explained that I'd unplugged the 12v battery which caused it and the error has gone. It is nicer with the kit not to have any beeping, but I am wondering if it's worth it, with having a foreign object in my car, as wiggling the steering wheel never really bothered me, my last 2 cars worked like that after all.
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Post by robjo on Oct 19, 2023 18:02:52 GMT
I turned that stuff off in the app. Wouldn't want them to call me anyway.
With using actual "real" Travel Assist in an ID.4 and old Active Lane Assist in my Golf, the OBD11-coded Travel Assist without the KLR-device is practically useless. At least for me, jittering the steering wheel bothered the hell out of me and was basically a dealbreaker. I have had zero issues with the KLR-device.
You could always purchase a used wheel with the touch sensor and use that, but the cost is literally 15x more.
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Post by robjo on Oct 22, 2023 17:37:02 GMT
Did you order some kind of kit for retrofitting or a used part from an ID that came originally equipped with it? Please share how it worked out. Drive safe! Worked out fine actually. Bought a set (pretty expensive though) from Kufatec in Germany. It took some work with wiring through the firewall and unplugging the 12v battery (again) as well as a bunch of plastic parts and then the BCM under the steering wheel and splicing into channel A of the BCM. Anyway, turned out great!
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Post by kebin on Jan 10, 2024 22:25:58 GMT
I just got my obdeleven dongle and after reading this thread, I did the mod on my ID4 which had no travel assist and no capacitive steering wheel. Overall it took ~4h to complete, but I am not a professional in any way. I thought I would share how I did it to complement what others described because some parts of the process were not clear to me when starting. Module for capcitive steering wheel simulationI bought this from aliexpress (same module that other mentioned here): Hands off module permanent off-hand module KLR For ID3 ID4 ID5 ID612V batteryBattery needs to be unplugged in order to remove the airbag safely. I tried to unplug and replug the 12V battery without doing anything else to see what errors I would get and how to deal with them. To unplug it, I unscrewed the negative terminal with a 10mm socket, and put some cardboard between the cable and the terminal to avoid any chances of physical contact. After replugging it, I got a lot of errors, as other described. - Clearing them with obdeleven made no difference initially.
- As reported here, driving the car for a few minutes made half of the errors shown in the vehicle section of the screen go off.
- Then stopping the car, locking it and unlocking it made the electric drive error go away
- Finally, clearing faults with obdeleven, shutting down the car and powering it up again made the rest of the reported errors on the screens go away. I still have some faults with the unplugging date logged in modules after this but they don't seem to impact driving and do not show on the screens.
Things I wish I knew about the battery: - Once the battery is removed, the door will lock when you close it but not unlock. I got locked out of the car in the process and had to reconnect the battery with the dangling airbag which activated the horn...
- Steering wheel will lock with the car turned off and will not turn, so turn it 90 degrees before starting in order to access the holes for airbag removal
Physical installationOnce it was clear that the battery related errors were fixable I unplugged the 12v battery again. Removal of the airbagFirst the plastic covers under and above the steering wheel assembly need to be removed: - There is a single torx screw under the assembly that holds it together
- Then, the plastics can be unclipped
- The bottom plastic piece has the start button in it so I removed the connector by lifting the black lid, and pushing on the black tab while pulling it.
- Plastic piece between the screen and the steering wheel was the hardest to remove and put back, but it came off eventually. I had to pull it towards me from the sides and then lift it up, and bend it a bit.
Then starts the painful process of actually removing the airbag. You need to insert a screwdriver in 2 holes behind the steering wheel and push on a metal spring you can't see toward the center. This took me one hour to do without the specialized tool. The top part was especially difficult because the screen blocks the hole so you have to do it with a short screwdriver. Here is a schema and pictures showing what you are against: Hole: Metal spring (top hole, after airbag is removed): Once the airbag is free you are supposed to lift the purple lock on the connector and unplug it, but in my case it wouldn't come off so I kept the airbag attached ... Be careful as there is a cable that goes from the buttons on the left side of the steering wheel to the yellow connector through the airbag. In order to get some freedom of movement, I unclipped the white plastic sleeve from the airbag since I couldn't unplug it from the buttons either... Removal of the controls around the steering wheelThe aliexpress module that simulates capacitive steering wheel connects into a connector behind the left set of buttons. I just pulled the black plastic assembly and everything came off. Be careful, there is a thin wire attached to the left buttons. I then unplugged the black wire that is connected to the left set of buttons to access what is behind it better. Installation of the moduleI plugged the module into the free connector (bottom one in the picture) then plugged back the black wire. Then I put back the plastic assembly and routed the module wire in the groove that was meant for it. Finally fixed it with double sided tape Then I put back everything together, plugged the 12V battery and did the error reset procedure (drive, stop, drive, stop, clear with obdeleven) CodingThe front hood needs to be open for this to work. In obdeleven I went to module A5 and unlocked it with the default code. Then I entered long coding and changed those values as described in this thread: - HC_point_of_intervention: late -> early_setting_over_menu
- HC_variante: Hc_variante_0 -> Hc_variante_2
- KLR: Not_coded -> coded
I left Emergency_assist_variante as Not_coded. With this, the travel assist button is lit up and the car stays in the middle of the lane without having to wiggle the steering wheel every 10 sec. Some things I wished I knew before starting: - Protect the steering wheel with something, leather is fragile and the plastic clips can dent it (see picture)
- Most connectors are hard to unplug and I couldn't find videos or explanations on how to do it. Would have been easier if I could have unplugged them.
- The module seems to be hot, I can feel that the bottom of the steering wheel is warmed than the rest of the plastic after driving for a few minutes. Not sure how safe this is in the long run especially with the airbag nearby.
Also, travel assist is way better than lane assist but is not autonomous driving and can be dangerous in non highway situations: - It can not handle sharp turns
- It will slow down before roundabouts but will ignore any car engaged in it. In some cases it will accelerate back to cruising speed before leaving the roundabout.
- Sometimes it will not completely stay between the lines (when the road has chicanes for instance)
- It will gladly overpass cars on the right which is dangerous and forbidden (where I live at least)
That's all, I hope this can be useful to future folks who would want to try this!
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Post by stefflimitless on Jan 11, 2024 22:22:59 GMT
Great Job. Respect. I follow this thread for a long time because i wanted it so bad too. But in the end it is the same feature like i have, which you mentioned at the end of your post. (Flashing A5 and 13) So i will not do it, just to have a Button which lights up on the Steering Wheel. Anyway, this will help a lot here in this forum. Cheers
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Post by rbabok on Jan 11, 2024 23:20:17 GMT
I successfully coded travel assist on my ID.4 FE. Changed A5 unit as mentioned in previous posts. Can someone tell me what does “ HC_point_of_intervention” and “HC_variant” stand for?
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Post by kebin on Jan 12, 2024 0:15:24 GMT
But in the end it is the same feature like i have, which you mentioned at the end of your post. (Flashing A5 and 13) Actually I feel it's way more comfortable with this mod. Without the module on straight roads, I would have to unnecessarily wiggle the steering wheel every now and then to get rid of the warning which was annoying at best and maybe dangerous. For town driving travel assist is not very useful and even dangerous in some situations, but for highway it makes trips easier I feel. I see module 13 mentioned in some posts, but I didn't touch it. I wonder what impacts have the settings there, they seem to be about the capacitive steering wheel, but the aliexpress module seems to do the job with just A5 KLR activation. Can someone tell me what does “ HC_point_of_intervention” and “HC_variant” stand for? From the infos I grabbed online, my understanding is that: - HC_point_of_intervention controls whether to do ping pong between lanes or to stay in the center
- HC_variant controls whether you can use the lane keeping feature under 60km/h
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Post by stefflimitless on Jan 12, 2024 7:06:19 GMT
In town it’s very useful not to get too fast. Of course you will steer manually and always with the foot above the brake pedal. It’s still an assist, like you said before. It’s good that pACC reminds you that there is a curve in front with 35KmH, for example. You just have to get used to it. And the bouncing and Hands on steering wheel is gone since the modified Dataset on A5. It will remind me every 10 Minutes to grab the Steering Wheel. When changing lane on highway it will reset, but enables again automatically. Don’t know if real Travel Assist does it too. You said taking over on right lane will not recognize, maybe you have to enable „overtaking right prevention“ in unit 13 Long Coding. I disabled it, because when there are lot of cars on highway sometimes right lane is faster when there is no truck in front.
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Post by kebin on Jan 28, 2024 8:39:15 GMT
I had travel assist installed and used it for ~1000km without the capcitive steering wheel simulator, and it was working without any issue. Since I installed the module, the car has been throwing errors quite frequently. They manifest with messages like "Front assist unavailable" "ACC unavailable" and so on. When I look at faults that happened at the time of the error, it is always the same one in module 13 (Adaptative Cruise Control): U112300 - Databus error value received Not sure what to do apart from removing the module.
Also, is there a way to get the full list of faults as text?
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Post by abcid4 on Jan 29, 2024 13:20:06 GMT
I´m getting both messages "Front assist unavailable" "ACC unavailable" quite often: when it rains after 15-30 min., in cold weather, when humid air (or fog) condenses and froses. Not necessarily has to do with hand-on simulator, as I still do na have it.
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